Post Punk

Last week I was doing a talk at a conference at Leeds University about Post Punk.

It was an interesting event and made more interesting by the fact that post punk has become a thing, a scene, and a definable set of rules to be picked over years later by academics.

I guess it was Simon Reynolds excellent book that started this. It was great that he pushed the spotlight onto the insane activity that poured out of the breach created by punk rock- the DIY labels, fanzines and bands that were re-writing music on their own terms.

The only problem is that it has made a scene that had no rules and no boundaries become very linear. Post punk has become fashionable in the past few years but it has become narrowed down to the Gang Of Four and The Fall and maybe A Certain Ratio when someone feels a little but funky. I don’t remember it that way. I remember a blurring of boundaries after punk with a simultaneous leap into the future and a re-affirmation of the past as the shackles of the punk rock Year Zero were thrown away. And whilst the aforementioned bands were key bands of the period there was also great music getting made by Killing Joke and Bauhaus and other bands who have been lumped in with the Goth scene.

It may not fit into the newly neat narrative but the so called Goth scene was equally innovative with both Killing Joke and Bauhaus incorporating dub into glam and tribal musics and creating whole new soundscapes.

The early Adam And the Ants were also making some strange and unsettling music and I’ve often wondered if these bands were a bit too strange and in some cases a bit too pretty with a touch or eye liner (or in the case of Killing Joke – dark and ugly with manic face paint) to be taken seriously by the lumpy academic brigade.

It’s a curious fact of rock history that the journalists will always put the bands that look like them on the pedestal and write the other ones out of history. At the time most people I knew seemed to be thrilled by both types of bands and few saw it as separate scenes- the battle lines were drawn up later and the so called Goth bands were annoyingly written out of history even though their influence has been far bigger.

Personally I don’t care that much I have all the records but I often wonder when I look out at the students learning about this fantastic musical time when there were no rules and hope that they are not being short changed by the revised histories of those times.


4 Responses to Post Punk

  1. osprey says:

    who givs a fuck

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  3. Dave Parsons says:

    I agree. Seems to me that at the time there were no distinctions between so-called Goth bands and so-called (post-)punk bands. All the people I knew were going to see Gang of Four one week, the Birthday Party the next, Bauhaus, then Magazine, then even bands like Simple Minds, the Only Ones – whoever – and they all seemed to sit naturally enough together. Which was the same with the so-called punk bands: I remember seeing Stiff Little Fingers supported by Essential Logic and Robert Rental and The Normal (seemed logical enough to me at the time). And we saw The Pop Group one week and Crass the next, and were happy enough with that too. I mean, after all, Elvis Costello and the Boomtown Rats were punk bands too!

  4. books says:

    “It’s a curious fact of rock history that the journalists will always put the bands that look like them on the pedestal and write the other ones out of history.” couldnt agreee more with that.

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